WE'RE BACK! -- Under New Management!

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Re: WE'RE BACK! -- Under New Management!

Post by MeatyMuffin » Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:09 pm

Dalken Starbyne wrote:I haven't read through the whole of this thread, but someone suggested I should voice my opinion, so here I am.

I actually wanted the five separate volumes. I might not actually go for the printed run, now. I don't know about anyone else, but it's pretty unwieldy for me to handle that much book at one time when actually trying to READ it. I have a volume that has three books in it, and it's smaller by word count than the proposed two Fo:E volumes would be. I rarely read it because it barely fits in my hands, it's extremely difficult to turn single pages at a time, and it causes a great deal of wear on the spine and binding every time I sit down with it. I'd rather pay more for five volumes than compress it down to two just to save a bit of money on printing and shipping.

Maybe I'm alone in that opinion (again, I haven't really read the whole thread, just the original post), but there it is. If the new round of printing goes with the two volumes, alright. But I'm going to have to pass, unfortunately. A shame, really. I missed the first run, and I really wanted a hard copy of Fallout: Equestria, but I'm not going to pay for a hard copy I literally can't use.
You aren't the only one that feels that way. Honestly, I think I'll pass on this printing too if it results in the five books being condensed into two. It's not that I think that they aren't worth it and I'm glad that you've all made an effort to keep the project alive, but two massive books would kind of be unwieldy and I just don't think they would look as good. Not to mention that I just think the set would look better if it's printed in five books and it's already formatted for five anyway.

If it's ever decided that you'll go back to the original five book format I'm willing to pay for them, but as it stands I'll wait until that's the case (if that's ever the case). I'm sorry if that sounds petty, but if I pay for these I want to get exactly what the first print run supporters received. That's just my take on this.

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Re: WE'RE BACK! -- Under New Management!

Post by sorathecrow » Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:11 pm

Dalken Starbyne wrote:I haven't read through the whole of this thread, but someone suggested I should voice my opinion, so here I am.

I actually wanted the five separate volumes. I might not actually go for the printed run, now. I don't know about anyone else, but it's pretty unwieldy for me to handle that much book at one time when actually trying to READ it. I have a volume that has three books in it, and it's smaller by word count than the proposed two Fo:E volumes would be. I rarely read it because it barely fits in my hands, it's extremely difficult to turn single pages at a time, and it causes a great deal of wear on the spine and binding every time I sit down with it. I'd rather pay more for five volumes than compress it down to two just to save a bit of money on printing and shipping.

Maybe I'm alone in that opinion (again, I haven't really read the whole thread, just the original post), but there it is. If the new round of printing goes with the two volumes, alright. But I'm going to have to pass, unfortunately. A shame, really. I missed the first run, and I really wanted a hard copy of Fallout: Equestria, but I'm not going to pay for a hard copy I literally can't use.
I'm currently holding in my hand the 780 page Knife of Dreams hardcover. It's perfectly usable. I admit I haven't read a book that large in quite some time because I've switched to E-reading, but there's nothing unwieldy about it. I also have the nearly 1k Wise Man's Fear that I only read a couple of years ago. Also totally readable. I'm not saying you're lying, because that wouldn't make any sense, but...how are those unwieldy? :rainbowderp:

EDIT:

Honestly, this whole thing is mind-boggling to me. This project was dead as a doornail for what--a year (only officially since late last year but let's be honest)? And some people come out with the guts to get back in the ring and all they get for the trouble from the other members of the community is this bloody snobbish entitlement!

EDIT EDIT:

Hearing about the project coming back had really made me excited, but seeing all of you people just makes me sick. Ruins the excitement when you expect people to be happy and all you see are complaints.

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Re: WE'RE BACK! -- Under New Management!

Post by Tokensdorf » Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:47 pm

sorathecrow wrote:
Dalken Starbyne wrote:I haven't read through the whole of this thread, but someone suggested I should voice my opinion, so here I am.

I actually wanted the five separate volumes. I might not actually go for the printed run, now. I don't know about anyone else, but it's pretty unwieldy for me to handle that much book at one time when actually trying to READ it. I have a volume that has three books in it, and it's smaller by word count than the proposed two Fo:E volumes would be. I rarely read it because it barely fits in my hands, it's extremely difficult to turn single pages at a time, and it causes a great deal of wear on the spine and binding every time I sit down with it. I'd rather pay more for five volumes than compress it down to two just to save a bit of money on printing and shipping.

Maybe I'm alone in that opinion (again, I haven't really read the whole thread, just the original post), but there it is. If the new round of printing goes with the two volumes, alright. But I'm going to have to pass, unfortunately. A shame, really. I missed the first run, and I really wanted a hard copy of Fallout: Equestria, but I'm not going to pay for a hard copy I literally can't use.
I'm currently holding in my hand the 780 page Knife of Dreams hardcover. It's perfectly usable. I admit I haven't read a book that large in quite some time because I've switched to E-reading, but there's nothing unwieldy about it. I also have the nearly 1k Wise Man's Fear that I only read a couple of years ago. Also totally readable. I'm not saying you're lying, because that wouldn't make any sense, but...how are those unwieldy? :rainbowderp:

EDIT:

Honestly, this whole thing is mind-boggling to me. This project was dead as a doornail for what--a year (only officially since late last year but let's be honest)? And some people come out with the guts to get back in the ring and all they get for the trouble from the other members of the community is this bloody snobbish entitlement!

EDIT EDIT:

Hearing about the project coming back had really made me excited, but seeing all of you people just makes me sick. Ruins the excitement when you expect people to be happy and all you see are complaints.
Two books or five books, I'm to buy it anyway as long as I can find the money to do so.

I think the problem here is that there isn't really that much to say right now, the project may be a possibility again but would could be said. There is a change with the books which makes everyone throw in their two cents (some more aggresive than others), the reason to why there hasn't been said so much about everyting but whether or not a person wants 2 or 5 books, is because it's the only real thing to have an expressive opinion about is the books. If one were to say how glad they were for people picking this project up again then it would mostly just be that. We have to think that this site is still the internet and opnions are the first thing that is written in a comment or a threat. Please do notlet it get you down, and I do hope those behind this project will stand tall as well,it isn't really something to be mad about. My advise is to carefully read every post and take every word into consideration, though it seems to not be neccessary since I believe they have had a lot of factors to make them come up with this conclusion, as they said themselves.

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Re: WE'RE BACK! -- Under New Management!

Post by Jusey1 » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:47 am

About reading "bigger books" and having trouble with doing so... That's kinda flawed logic.

It depends on the inches thickness and the printed paper. I mean, I am currently holding a book that is 2.25 inches thick with exactly 2846 numbered pages and I can flip at almost any page and leave the book open like that without it at all closing or anything... I read it just fine basically!

So only just two books with around 700 pages each shouldn't be much of a problem, if they are printed in a similar way of this book...

This book is a hard covered book too! The pages are a bit different than normally though. So if FOE is hard covered, then all we need to know how thick the book is and type of paper used and boom, we can get an idea of how well it can be read and handled.

~Edit~

For example, what makes this book easy to read and handle would be that the binding can fully bend almost a full 180 degrees, still a hard cover though. This makes it easier for all pages on both sides to stay flat and keep the book nicely set at a page without one being forced to gently bend back and close the book.

Then all really need is a good size book with the right paper type and tada. All nice and dandy.

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Post by ccs4ever » Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:38 am

I would like to take a moment to congratulate the new management team for steering this project back on track. I am excited to see the new form that these reformatted books will take and wish the project the best of luck in completing the task. Even though I broke down after the long delay and printed a set using the amazing PDFs that this project had put together, some modified dust jackets I had found on these forums, and thebookpatch.com, I am still as excited for this new hardcover set you are planning as I was when I first discovered the original printing but was too late to sign up.

Stay positive my friends and be respectful of all the work that has gone into this project and all the work that is yet to come. I wish I had the time and the skill to help out.

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Re: WE'RE BACK! -- Under New Management!

Post by Dalken Starbyne » Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:25 am

sorathecrow wrote:
Dalken Starbyne wrote:I haven't read through the whole of this thread, but someone suggested I should voice my opinion, so here I am.

I actually wanted the five separate volumes. I might not actually go for the printed run, now. I don't know about anyone else, but it's pretty unwieldy for me to handle that much book at one time when actually trying to READ it. I have a volume that has three books in it, and it's smaller by word count than the proposed two Fo:E volumes would be. I rarely read it because it barely fits in my hands, it's extremely difficult to turn single pages at a time, and it causes a great deal of wear on the spine and binding every time I sit down with it. I'd rather pay more for five volumes than compress it down to two just to save a bit of money on printing and shipping.

Maybe I'm alone in that opinion (again, I haven't really read the whole thread, just the original post), but there it is. If the new round of printing goes with the two volumes, alright. But I'm going to have to pass, unfortunately. A shame, really. I missed the first run, and I really wanted a hard copy of Fallout: Equestria, but I'm not going to pay for a hard copy I literally can't use.
I'm currently holding in my hand the 780 page Knife of Dreams hardcover. It's perfectly usable. I admit I haven't read a book that large in quite some time because I've switched to E-reading, but there's nothing unwieldy about it. I also have the nearly 1k Wise Man's Fear that I only read a couple of years ago. Also totally readable. I'm not saying you're lying, because that wouldn't make any sense, but...how are those unwieldy? :rainbowderp:

EDIT:

Honestly, this whole thing is mind-boggling to me. This project was dead as a doornail for what--a year (only officially since late last year but let's be honest)? And some people come out with the guts to get back in the ring and all they get for the trouble from the other members of the community is this bloody snobbish entitlement!

EDIT EDIT:

Hearing about the project coming back had really made me excited, but seeing all of you people just makes me sick. Ruins the excitement when you expect people to be happy and all you see are complaints.
Please don't confuse basic and straightforward input for "snobbish entitlement." It's frankly insulting. I would not have even bothered saying anything had I not been specifically asked to, particularly because I had to go through the effort of registering on the forum to do so. Those who are trying to make this project available to as many people as possible cannot do so without feedback.

Not once did I either state or imply that I felt entitled to the format. I simply specified that I would not bother paying for it should it be reformatted as proposed, and I stand by that. That in no way means that others cannot choose to pay for the two-volume format, or even prefer it, nor does it mean they are wrong. This is my opinion given my personal circumstance. I think it would be a given that such circumstances will vary from person to person, and opinions with them.

As for the unwieldy nature of my own composite volumes, part of it may be due to the fact that they are paperback (there was no hardback copy available), but the fact of the matter still stands that the more pressure there is on the volume, the more wear and tear there is on the volume. I like to read, especially while I travel or when my internet is down. It's what I do when I have limited or no access to electronic devices. As such, I would wear (and have worn) through something like that in a comparatively short amount of time, so yes, I do prefer something that is more resilient to use.

I can read the volume I mentioned, but it takes a great deal of extra effort. I cannot set the book down and leave it open. It will close. As a result, I have to keep my bookmark on the current page constantly. If I am to turn the page, I have to first set the book against something before I can manipulate the pages finely enough to turn one in particular without damaging the volume. It sounds like there may be better ways of assembling such a volume, and I have no doubt that there are (having a hard cover would help, to start), but when I sit down to read a book, it is to enjoy the story, not constantly fight with the book every time I want to turn the page (and, let's face it, Fallout: Equestria has a lot of pages). Perhaps part of it is due to the size of my hands. Mine are by far not the smallest I've encountered in my lifetime, but they are probably slightly smaller than average, from what I've seen. Whatever the case, my experience has shown that volumes of that size are frustrating to handle at best. If they are easier for others to handle, well, fantastic. I'm most certainly not stopping you. But if I personally am to own a printed copy of Fallout: Equestria, I would prefer it to be broken up into chunks I can more readily handle. The fact of the matter remains that it would be significantly more difficult for me to enjoy it in the larger format.

I bear no ill wishes towards those who are making an effort toward reviving this project. Should they decide to go forward with the two-volume format, that is their decision. I simply won't place an order. It would be a waste of money for me. Those who are fine with it will place an order and probably enjoy it. Everyone moves on with their lives no worse for the wear.

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Post by zemming » Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:47 am

Tokensdorf wrote: My advise is to carefully read every post and take every word into consideration, though it seems to not be neccessary since I believe they have had a lot of factors to make them come up with this conclusion, as they said themselves.
We are reading what is posted and we are discussing people's comments, but at this point, that decision has been made. Thank you for your understanding that we have considered many factors before deciding.

ccs4ever wrote: I am excited to see the new form that these reformatted books will take and wish the project the best of luck in completing the task.
Thanks for your positive support. It's nice knowing our work is appreciated :pinkiebounce:

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Post by Arjuna1356 » Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:08 am

For some reason, at this point, I feel that the 1st edition format with five volumes possess some sort of charming characteristic that would be lost if they were condensed into two volumes, but that's just me... Either way, thank you all very much for the work you're putting into this, and I look forward to seeing this 2nd printing become reality. (Though I wouldn't object to a reprinting in the original format... :pinkiehappy: )

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Post by scootayay » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:53 pm

First things first. Thanks for reviving this project. It's nice to see someone continuing this.
I can't really say that I'm a fan of reformatting and compressing the story into two books though. I already have the books from the first printing and I really like the fomatting and feel of the original five book set. I was waiting for the second printing because I wanted to get a second set as a gift for someone. Now I'm not so sure if I'll get one, but we'll see.

I do have a few questions though:
1)Did you ask Kkat if she's okay with this?/Are you aware of the rules she set?
I know she gave her permission for the first version, but now that you are reformatting the book, it would be common courtesy to ask again.

2)What's the difference in formatting between the original printing and your version?
2b)What font, font size, line spacing(, words per page), margin etc... are you using. Indentations and/or new lines to separate dialogue? Style for memory orbs? Would be cool if we could see a few sample pages. (If it isn't too early for this.)

3)What methods of payment are you going to use?
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Re: WE'RE BACK! -- Under New Management!

Post by sorathecrow » Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:38 pm

scootayay wrote:
3)What methods of payment are you going to use?
I'm pretty sure they've mentioned WePay a couple times, but I'm not sure if that's set in stone as of right now.

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