FoE 3rd Printing - Reserve List

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Re: FoE 3rd Printing - Reserve List

Postby zemming » Fri May 26, 2017 5:23 am

Admiral Pradlave wrote:I'm dealing with a problem the invoice that is due by May 30 will not let me pay for it. The Blinksale sight sent to my email does not work. What do I do?


Double check the due date on your invoice. If it was part of the first batch and was due the 20th, and was unpaid, it would've been deleted.

If you are still interested in the books, I would recommend resigning up on the reserve list.

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Re: FoE 3rd Printing - Reserve List

Postby wallacoloo » Fri May 26, 2017 3:26 pm

raptor wrote:
jardex22 wrote: I was under the impression that Bethesda and Hasbro would turn a blind eye to this as long as money wasn't made. Isn't bumping the price counterproductive to that end?


indeed this is the case. the legality of this project is suspect to begin with, but it's generally felt that because this was people paying to have a book printed, rather than people selling the book for profit, they are on much firmer legal ground.

there is also the issue that Kkat herself expressly forbade people from making profit on her work. She's made this very clear the times I and others have contacted her and asked permission to use the story in fanworks. she's been extremely lenient with regard to this project, with youtube monetization, with plush making charging just to cover material costs, etc. so there would be hope that people would respect that.

now to your post zem,

on the issue of popularity. Ofcourse this project is very popular, but that popularity shouldn't effect costs in the reserve list as it should be a first come first serve situation. with the doubling of the price tho, you are effectively saying that those with the most money are the only ones that deserve a copy.

On the property issue. I'm sorry you have been inconvenienced and have incurred personal property damage as a result of this project, but it's unfair to force such costs along to the fans that support this. they were not responsible for such damage and did no malicious acts to deserve it.

as for internships. we have all been very patient i feel (some, like those us that have been around since the first printing, even more then others), and we would be willing to wait a little longer if it meant having the better opportunity to get this book.

I would only ask that you reconsider this decision. if for no other reason than it doesn't negatively effect the public view of this project, the printing of all of these FoE related books, as a whole. a positive public perception can only help future projects.


I'm not going to be too quick to pass judgment here since I don't know the full situation, but I don't feel comfortable supporting what seems to be a for-profit printing project (at least when it comes to this reserve round) wherein the actual author isn't receiving any proceeds (which, asking around, I'm pretty sure is the case). If you want to recover whatever expenses you've personally incurred, it's probably more appropriate to present this as a charity event & explain where the money is going and why.

Go ahead and hand off my seat to the next person - I'm just going to leave my invoice unpaid, as I don't see any way to cancel it.

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Re: FoE 3rd Printing - Reserve List

Postby zemming » Fri May 26, 2017 5:37 pm

wallacoloo wrote:Go ahead and hand off my seat to the next person - I'm just going to leave my invoice unpaid, as I don't see any way to cancel it.

Feel free to send us an email at FoEPrintProject@gmail.com and we can get your invoice deleted so the spot is available for another person on the reserve list.

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Re: FoE 3rd Printing - Reserve List

Postby ThePonyGamer » Mon May 29, 2017 10:20 am

Not long left until the project ends.

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Re: FoE 3rd Printing - Reserve List

Postby Winds Requiem » Mon May 29, 2017 10:31 pm

wallacoloo wrote:
raptor wrote:
jardex22 wrote: I was under the impression that Bethesda and Hasbro would turn a blind eye to this as long as money wasn't made. Isn't bumping the price counterproductive to that end?


indeed this is the case. the legality of this project is suspect to begin with, but it's generally felt that because this was people paying to have a book printed, rather than people selling the book for profit, they are on much firmer legal ground.

there is also the issue that Kkat herself expressly forbade people from making profit on her work. She's made this very clear the times I and others have contacted her and asked permission to use the story in fanworks. she's been extremely lenient with regard to this project, with youtube monetization, with plush making charging just to cover material costs, etc. so there would be hope that people would respect that.

now to your post zem,

on the issue of popularity. Ofcourse this project is very popular, but that popularity shouldn't effect costs in the reserve list as it should be a first come first serve situation. with the doubling of the price tho, you are effectively saying that those with the most money are the only ones that deserve a copy.

On the property issue. I'm sorry you have been inconvenienced and have incurred personal property damage as a result of this project, but it's unfair to force such costs along to the fans that support this. they were not responsible for such damage and did no malicious acts to deserve it.

as for internships. we have all been very patient i feel (some, like those us that have been around since the first printing, even more then others), and we would be willing to wait a little longer if it meant having the better opportunity to get this book.

I would only ask that you reconsider this decision. if for no other reason than it doesn't negatively effect the public view of this project, the printing of all of these FoE related books, as a whole. a positive public perception can only help future projects.


I'm not going to be too quick to pass judgment here since I don't know the full situation, but I don't feel comfortable supporting what seems to be a for-profit printing project (at least when it comes to this reserve round) wherein the actual author isn't receiving any proceeds (which, asking around, I'm pretty sure is the case). If you want to recover whatever expenses you've personally incurred, it's probably more appropriate to present this as a charity event & explain where the money is going and why.

Go ahead and hand off my seat to the next person - I'm just going to leave my invoice unpaid, as I don't see any way to cancel it.



Pretty sure they aint turning a profit. They explained they had some unexpected costs that occured when shipping the original batch. PLUS they mentioned extra $ from the reserve list batch would be used for jumpstarting their next printing project which they confirmed to be none other than the massive goliath itself. "Project Horizons"

Not having to wait over a year or more for the next project to start is well worth paying a little extra for my reserve copy. If any of you think they are doing this for profit I am sure you are all mistaken. The only profit being made from these books are the scumbag scalpers that are selling them on ebay for $300+

One guy on here admitted to buying 50. FIFTY, copies of the book just to sell on ebay, which is very upsetting and much more deserving of your dislike and hate than the project team.

(Also id recommend making a buy limit for the next project of only a couple books at most to prevent scalping next time. If people want to help their friends get a copy they can just sign up their friends email for them so they get the invoice. And for those who claim it needs to he a "gift" they can give their friend the money to pay for the invoice.)

Thanks for everything you guys do printing team. CANT WAIT FOR PROJECT HORIZONS!!!!
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Re: FoE 3rd Printing - Reserve List

Postby ThePonyGamer » Tue May 30, 2017 9:58 am

Winds Requiem wrote:
wallacoloo wrote:
raptor wrote:
indeed this is the case. the legality of this project is suspect to begin with, but it's generally felt that because this was people paying to have a book printed, rather than people selling the book for profit, they are on much firmer legal ground.

there is also the issue that Kkat herself expressly forbade people from making profit on her work. She's made this very clear the times I and others have contacted her and asked permission to use the story in fanworks. she's been extremely lenient with regard to this project, with youtube monetization, with plush making charging just to cover material costs, etc. so there would be hope that people would respect that.

now to your post zem,

on the issue of popularity. Ofcourse this project is very popular, but that popularity shouldn't effect costs in the reserve list as it should be a first come first serve situation. with the doubling of the price tho, you are effectively saying that those with the most money are the only ones that deserve a copy.

On the property issue. I'm sorry you have been inconvenienced and have incurred personal property damage as a result of this project, but it's unfair to force such costs along to the fans that support this. they were not responsible for such damage and did no malicious acts to deserve it.

as for internships. we have all been very patient i feel (some, like those us that have been around since the first printing, even more then others), and we would be willing to wait a little longer if it meant having the better opportunity to get this book.

I would only ask that you reconsider this decision. if for no other reason than it doesn't negatively effect the public view of this project, the printing of all of these FoE related books, as a whole. a positive public perception can only help future projects.


I'm not going to be too quick to pass judgment here since I don't know the full situation, but I don't feel comfortable supporting what seems to be a for-profit printing project (at least when it comes to this reserve round) wherein the actual author isn't receiving any proceeds (which, asking around, I'm pretty sure is the case). If you want to recover whatever expenses you've personally incurred, it's probably more appropriate to present this as a charity event & explain where the money is going and why.

Go ahead and hand off my seat to the next person - I'm just going to leave my invoice unpaid, as I don't see any way to cancel it.



Pretty sure they aint turning a profit. They explained they had some unexpected costs that occured when shipping the original batch. PLUS they mentioned extra $ from the reserve list batch would be used for jumpstarting their next printing project which they confirmed to be none other than the massive goliath itself. "Project Horizons"

Not having to wait over a year or more for the next project to start is well worth paying a little extra for my reserve copy. If any of you think they are doing this for profit I am sure you are all mistaken. The only profit being made from these books are the scumbag scalpers that are selling them on ebay for $300+

One guy on here admitted to buying 50. FIFTY, copies of the book just to sell on ebay, which is very upsetting and much more deserving of your dislike and hate than the project team.

(Also id recommend making a buy limit for the next project of only a couple books at most to prevent scalping next time. If people want to help their friends get a copy they can just sign up their friends email for them so they get the invoice. And for those who claim it needs to he a "gift" they can give their friend the money to pay for the invoice.)

Thanks for everything you guys do printing team. CANT WAIT FOR PROJECT HORIZONS!!!!
:bwalk:


I've seen someone trying to sell some FO:E books for $600 + shipping. hate it when people do that. :twilightangry2:

In my personal opinion $79.99 + shipping isn't that bad when you think of what you are getting and some of it is going onto another project. :lwalk: :bwalk: :cwalk:

so in a nutshell I agree with what you are saying. :pinkiebounce:

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Re: FoE 3rd Printing - Reserve List

Postby DaSpood » Tue May 30, 2017 1:16 pm

ThePonyGamer wrote:
Winds Requiem wrote:
wallacoloo wrote:
I'm not going to be too quick to pass judgment here since I don't know the full situation, but I don't feel comfortable supporting what seems to be a for-profit printing project (at least when it comes to this reserve round) wherein the actual author isn't receiving any proceeds (which, asking around, I'm pretty sure is the case). If you want to recover whatever expenses you've personally incurred, it's probably more appropriate to present this as a charity event & explain where the money is going and why.

Go ahead and hand off my seat to the next person - I'm just going to leave my invoice unpaid, as I don't see any way to cancel it.



Pretty sure they aint turning a profit. They explained they had some unexpected costs that occured when shipping the original batch. PLUS they mentioned extra $ from the reserve list batch would be used for jumpstarting their next printing project which they confirmed to be none other than the massive goliath itself. "Project Horizons"

Not having to wait over a year or more for the next project to start is well worth paying a little extra for my reserve copy. If any of you think they are doing this for profit I am sure you are all mistaken. The only profit being made from these books are the scumbag scalpers that are selling them on ebay for $300+

One guy on here admitted to buying 50. FIFTY, copies of the book just to sell on ebay, which is very upsetting and much more deserving of your dislike and hate than the project team.

(Also id recommend making a buy limit for the next project of only a couple books at most to prevent scalping next time. If people want to help their friends get a copy they can just sign up their friends email for them so they get the invoice. And for those who claim it needs to he a "gift" they can give their friend the money to pay for the invoice.)

Thanks for everything you guys do printing team. CANT WAIT FOR PROJECT HORIZONS!!!!
:bwalk:


I've seen someone trying to sell some FO:E books for $600 + shipping. hate it when people do that. :twilightangry2:

In my personal opinion $79.99 + shipping isn't that bad when you think of what you are getting and some of it is going onto another project. :lwalk: :bwalk: :cwalk:

so in a nutshell I agree with what you are saying. :pinkiebounce:



Yeah but that's just the thing. Some of it is going onto another project.
I don't think it's fair for people who just want FoE to pay for people who will want PH, especialy if they are not interested in other stories themselves. Especialy since they will have to pay again for it later...

Paying a little extra would not be a problem. It was somewhat our fault if we didn't sign up in time for the original shipping and had to sign up for the reserve list. And even if it's to give a little something for the team who runs the project, it may not be legal but I think they'd deserve it.
However here the price went double of what it was. There was no warning of it when signing up for reserve, and I do not think THIS MUCH is justified. I wouldn't mind a $10 price bump, I can't say the same about $45. Especialy if you are not a US citizen and already have the huge shipping cost to deal with. A book that originaly costed ~65€ ended up being 105€, and I did not even check if I had some exchange fees because of the currency change. And I find it hard to swallow with "early backers have to have an advantage" (being 100 % guaranteed of getting a book, in the amount wanted, was already a nice advantage imo, getting it earlier too...), and "we have to cover some expenses because we broke some stuff" (which is not the fault of people who ordered the book, and I'm sure what broke did not cost so much that $45 per reserve order is needed unless it's the whole garage that needs to be rebuilt). And supporting an incoming project we may not be interested in is also not correct ; if anything this should have been covered with a donation campaign with the advantage of an early pre-order for bigger donators.

I did pay for the book ; I waited too long to just miss it for reasons like (rather have it for double it's price now than five times its price in a few months) even if I was very close to not be able to afford it ; but I am not too happy with this price bump nobody was really expecting. It is way too big in my opinion, and should have been made clearer earlier. I have been hoping for a price decrease & partial refund ever since the reserve infos went out and people started rightly complaining about it ; but sadly it won't happen it seems. But I hope the team will handle things better for whichever print is next. I may be looking forward for the other stories, but definitely not if this kind of event is bound to happen again, unless it is carefuly explained and early enough to avoid breaking some people's dream of finaly getting the book at the last minute.

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Re: FoE 3rd Printing - Reserve List

Postby ThePonyGamer » Tue May 30, 2017 2:01 pm

DaSpood wrote:
ThePonyGamer wrote:
Winds Requiem wrote:

Pretty sure they aint turning a profit. They explained they had some unexpected costs that occured when shipping the original batch. PLUS they mentioned extra $ from the reserve list batch would be used for jumpstarting their next printing project which they confirmed to be none other than the massive goliath itself. "Project Horizons"

Not having to wait over a year or more for the next project to start is well worth paying a little extra for my reserve copy. If any of you think they are doing this for profit I am sure you are all mistaken. The only profit being made from these books are the scumbag scalpers that are selling them on ebay for $300+

One guy on here admitted to buying 50. FIFTY, copies of the book just to sell on ebay, which is very upsetting and much more deserving of your dislike and hate than the project team.

(Also id recommend making a buy limit for the next project of only a couple books at most to prevent scalping next time. If people want to help their friends get a copy they can just sign up their friends email for them so they get the invoice. And for those who claim it needs to he a "gift" they can give their friend the money to pay for the invoice.)

Thanks for everything you guys do printing team. CANT WAIT FOR PROJECT HORIZONS!!!!
:bwalk:


I've seen someone trying to sell some FO:E books for $600 + shipping. hate it when people do that. :twilightangry2:

In my personal opinion $79.99 + shipping isn't that bad when you think of what you are getting and some of it is going onto another project. :lwalk: :bwalk: :cwalk:

so in a nutshell I agree with what you are saying. :pinkiebounce:



Yeah but that's just the thing. Some of it is going onto another project.
I don't think it's fair for people who just want FoE to pay for people who will want PH, especialy if they are not interested in other stories themselves. Especialy since they will have to pay again for it later...

Paying a little extra would not be a problem. It was somewhat our fault if we didn't sign up in time for the original shipping and had to sign up for the reserve list. And even if it's to give a little something for the team who runs the project, it may not be legal but I think they'd deserve it.
However here the price went double of what it was. There was no warning of it when signing up for reserve, and I do not think THIS MUCH is justified. I wouldn't mind a $10 price bump, I can't say the same about $45. Especialy if you are not a US citizen and already have the huge shipping cost to deal with. A book that originaly costed ~65€ ended up being 105€, and I did not even check if I had some exchange fees because of the currency change. And I find it hard to swallow with "early backers have to have an advantage" (being 100 % guaranteed of getting a book, in the amount wanted, was already a nice advantage imo, getting it earlier too...), and "we have to cover some expenses because we broke some stuff" (which is not the fault of people who ordered the book, and I'm sure what broke did not cost so much that $45 per reserve order is needed unless it's the whole garage that needs to be rebuilt). And supporting an incoming project we may not be interested in is also not correct ; if anything this should have been covered with a donation campaign with the advantage of an early pre-order for bigger donators.

I did pay for the book ; I waited too long to just miss it for reasons like (rather have it for double it's price now than five times its price in a few months) even if I was very close to not be able to afford it ; but I am not too happy with this price bump nobody was really expecting. It is way too big in my opinion, and should have been made clearer earlier. I have been hoping for a price decrease & partial refund ever since the reserve infos went out and people started rightly complaining about it ; but sadly it won't happen it seems. But I hope the team will handle things better for whichever print is next. I may be looking forward for the other stories, but definitely not if this kind of event is bound to happen again, unless it is carefuly explained and early enough to avoid breaking some people's dream of finaly getting the book at the last minute.


I do see what you are saying and I respect what you are saying.

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Re: FoE 3rd Printing - Reserve List

Postby rocco » Tue May 30, 2017 6:49 pm

Here is how I see things...

Call it, me being a business owner. Call it, me loving this fandom. Honestly, take your pick here. But I can understand this increase in cost for the reserve list. Extra expenses will always happen in the same manner of the saying "If you want to make god laugh, tell him your plans". Where I respect every opinion I have read thus far, I will say that I for one, love the idea of supporting future projects in general. If I knew that it would in someway help my PH a reality, I would invest in the project personally. I also know that this will cost a lot of caps to make happen and for those that do want project horizons, Murky (please!!!!) or the like, the funds will need to be there to make it happen.

I for one do not mind to foot the bill for future projects, even if they are just subsequent printings of FoE! I love this fandom and where it has shrunk over the years, those of us that are left are more than family at this point. I want to see PH printed, I want to see another printing of Pinkeyes, I want this to continue. So long as the powers at be remain honest and true to the cause, I will keep paying the price. One day I want to open my box of mementos and see these books waiting for me to enjoy again and again. That way I can relive these days and have that moment of remembrance of what I was a part of at one time.

If me paying a little extra now somehow gives someone else the chance at that moment I am wanting, even if it just a smile that lasts a few hours then it is worth every thing in my wallet. Smiles people, that is what this is all about, smiles.
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Lost my invoice on the printing..

Postby cranberrypunch » Tue May 30, 2017 6:54 pm

I originally ordered 2 copies of the book but the invoice was apparently lost amongst my spam filters and deleted. I didn't know this until you told me you were having problems specifically with hotmail accounts and spam filters. I missed the due date and didn't get in on the reserve list either. Any chance of me getting a book?


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